delhiguy79
08-13 08:27 AM
yes if you are filing another 485 with your spose as primary and you as dependent..
you need to fill out A#'s assigned with first applications..
if both r filed on the same day ....then there is no way u can mention each other on application...
my lawyer said if if it is filed like that ...u can combine the two applications when u get the receipts...
you need to fill out A#'s assigned with first applications..
if both r filed on the same day ....then there is no way u can mention each other on application...
my lawyer said if if it is filed like that ...u can combine the two applications when u get the receipts...
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snathan
09-24 06:23 PM
Here is my chart
EB1 EB2 EB3 EB4 EB5 EBOther TOT
India 718 47728 62607 123 13 107
China 607 19333 6343 384 13 30
Mexixo 174 211 7878 62 0 90
Phil 74 510 11563 70 0 264
ROW 2477 7150 62840 1378 40 1029
__________________________________________________ ______________
Total 4050 74932 151231 2017 66 1520
================================================== ===
Total EB1+EB4+EB5 + Ebother = 7653
_______________________________________
EB2- MEX+PHIL+ROW = 7871
________________________________________
Assuming new cases in ROW Category = 4476 (Random number makes total visa number
being used to round 20,000)
__________________________________________________ ___________
TOT Visa that would surely be used = EB1ALL+ EB4ALL+EB5ALL+EBothersALL+EB2ROW=
7653+7871+4476 = 20000
__________________________________________________ _____________________
Visa Numbers Available for both AOS & CP after using sure shot cases (140,000-20,000) = 120,000
Additional Visa numbers will be available for categories (EB2 I/C + EB3 I/C/M/P/ROW)
Because there are 62,840 EB3 pending for the rest of the world I doubt any numbers would
be given EB3I/C/P/M ???? Correct me if I am wrong
Of the additional visa numbers available after EB3 ROW uses it, max how many can be allocated to India and China EB2 is the question.......? Can someone answer this based on the max limit per country and per category???
Spill over does not have any country limit. they will allocate it untill it becomes current or numbers running out.
EB1 EB2 EB3 EB4 EB5 EBOther TOT
India 718 47728 62607 123 13 107
China 607 19333 6343 384 13 30
Mexixo 174 211 7878 62 0 90
Phil 74 510 11563 70 0 264
ROW 2477 7150 62840 1378 40 1029
__________________________________________________ ______________
Total 4050 74932 151231 2017 66 1520
================================================== ===
Total EB1+EB4+EB5 + Ebother = 7653
_______________________________________
EB2- MEX+PHIL+ROW = 7871
________________________________________
Assuming new cases in ROW Category = 4476 (Random number makes total visa number
being used to round 20,000)
__________________________________________________ ___________
TOT Visa that would surely be used = EB1ALL+ EB4ALL+EB5ALL+EBothersALL+EB2ROW=
7653+7871+4476 = 20000
__________________________________________________ _____________________
Visa Numbers Available for both AOS & CP after using sure shot cases (140,000-20,000) = 120,000
Additional Visa numbers will be available for categories (EB2 I/C + EB3 I/C/M/P/ROW)
Because there are 62,840 EB3 pending for the rest of the world I doubt any numbers would
be given EB3I/C/P/M ???? Correct me if I am wrong
Of the additional visa numbers available after EB3 ROW uses it, max how many can be allocated to India and China EB2 is the question.......? Can someone answer this based on the max limit per country and per category???
Spill over does not have any country limit. they will allocate it untill it becomes current or numbers running out.
PD_Dec2002
06-29 04:42 PM
Is there a phone number we could call and ask about the Mid Month Retro..that AILA ihas announced.?
ANyone knows a DOs cnumbers where they actually answer calls...?
I can assure you that they will say they don't comment on rumors. Exactly what my lawyer said.
Thanks,
Jayant
ANyone knows a DOs cnumbers where they actually answer calls...?
I can assure you that they will say they don't comment on rumors. Exactly what my lawyer said.
Thanks,
Jayant
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SunnySurya
08-07 11:24 AM
I don't think that either, but as long as they are willing to fund my operation in part or otherwise, I am good to go...
Do you seriously think any of these people will become plantiff and risk their greencard applcation? Because by becoming plantiff their application will be scrutinzed and further delayed.
.
I am open to reveal anyone my identity and discuss my plans who has voted Yes
If these people rolling flood and sunnysurya were confident, they would have posted their name and phone number till now for everyone. These guys are cowards. I bet their profile will also be annonymous.
Do you seriously think any of these people will become plantiff and risk their greencard applcation? Because by becoming plantiff their application will be scrutinzed and further delayed.
.
I am open to reveal anyone my identity and discuss my plans who has voted Yes
If these people rolling flood and sunnysurya were confident, they would have posted their name and phone number till now for everyone. These guys are cowards. I bet their profile will also be annonymous.
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kaisersose
03-26 03:48 PM
A new technique reqruiters are using is
"Hey, I am OK with EAD, it is just this particular client of mine who is not and I tried to educate this client but they do not listen. I tried placing another guy on EAD at this client but they rejected because of EAD and I placed so many people on EAD in other clients. So I hear you. Good luck with other jobs."
I still think it is some notorous reqruiters who apply the EAD filter. They do not want to deal with a lot of resumes and they want to apply that filter.
If someone askes we can say we have GCs and then if that takes us through the process, they cannot raise a problem at the I-9 stage as that would violate labor law.
And usually people who initially ask and filter are different from people who collect I-9 information, so that may actually work.
"Hey, I am OK with EAD, it is just this particular client of mine who is not and I tried to educate this client but they do not listen. I tried placing another guy on EAD at this client but they rejected because of EAD and I placed so many people on EAD in other clients. So I hear you. Good luck with other jobs."
I still think it is some notorous reqruiters who apply the EAD filter. They do not want to deal with a lot of resumes and they want to apply that filter.
If someone askes we can say we have GCs and then if that takes us through the process, they cannot raise a problem at the I-9 stage as that would violate labor law.
And usually people who initially ask and filter are different from people who collect I-9 information, so that may actually work.
bestofall
09-30 05:52 PM
Guys
please report your Approvals in this thread . wish you luck for EB2 / EB3 guys whose PD s are current in October 2009
“If you think IV as an organization, IV’s leadership team and many members who donated their time and money were in anyways helpful in your GC journey, please consider making a “Thank You” donation to IV. Also, keep visiting IV and support your fellow immigrants stuck in this GC queue” __________________
please report your Approvals in this thread . wish you luck for EB2 / EB3 guys whose PD s are current in October 2009
“If you think IV as an organization, IV’s leadership team and many members who donated their time and money were in anyways helpful in your GC journey, please consider making a “Thank You” donation to IV. Also, keep visiting IV and support your fellow immigrants stuck in this GC queue” __________________
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pappu
10-22 11:13 AM
http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=81&Itemid=61
Update and reference material on namechecks
Update and reference material on namechecks
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FrankZulu
06-25 01:40 PM
PERM EB2 India
PD:Feb 2006
I-140 Approved
BEC EB2 from same company
PD: Dec 2004
Just approved today
I am applying I-485 on July 2nd based on approved I-140 PD Feb 2006
as I don't want to take chance with refiling I-140 for PD Dec 2004.
In future can I apply I-140 for labor with PD Dec 2004 & on approval can I switch the
PD for my pending I-485 if dates are current for that PD?
PD:Feb 2006
I-140 Approved
BEC EB2 from same company
PD: Dec 2004
Just approved today
I am applying I-485 on July 2nd based on approved I-140 PD Feb 2006
as I don't want to take chance with refiling I-140 for PD Dec 2004.
In future can I apply I-140 for labor with PD Dec 2004 & on approval can I switch the
PD for my pending I-485 if dates are current for that PD?
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pro
10-01 01:40 PM
service center is Nebraska.
Infact my 485 got denied in August 2009 and in september 2009 filed MTR,which got approved on 22 sep 2009 and today we got 485 approval emails.
Infact my 485 got denied in August 2009 and in september 2009 filed MTR,which got approved on 22 sep 2009 and today we got 485 approval emails.
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conchshell
07-09 07:59 PM
I was amazed to hear about the development. Would Mr. Gonzalez will show a curtsey to personally reply to all the people who sent flowers, and apolozise for the pain and emotional trauma his agency has caused to thousands of legal immigrants in this country ?
BTW, couple of years ago one of my American (citizen) friend was dealing with USCIS (at that time INS) to adopt a baby from China. When she got the baby after struggling for 4-5 years and with a push from local congressman, she was agahst with the way USCIS treated her. I still remember her remarks "If they do not understand the pain and suffering of a mother, and they do not care for a suffering orphan child, I highly doubt that they have any more humanity left in them".
The name has changed but the public face of the agency remains the same. Please remember that for them we are not human's, we are just file numbers sitting and rotting at their service center's.
So when USCIS decided to forward the flowers to our soilders (which we think is an excellent idea), its not because the agency has a human touch in it, but its because they found an excellent face saving mask for their unjust action.
BTW, couple of years ago one of my American (citizen) friend was dealing with USCIS (at that time INS) to adopt a baby from China. When she got the baby after struggling for 4-5 years and with a push from local congressman, she was agahst with the way USCIS treated her. I still remember her remarks "If they do not understand the pain and suffering of a mother, and they do not care for a suffering orphan child, I highly doubt that they have any more humanity left in them".
The name has changed but the public face of the agency remains the same. Please remember that for them we are not human's, we are just file numbers sitting and rotting at their service center's.
So when USCIS decided to forward the flowers to our soilders (which we think is an excellent idea), its not because the agency has a human touch in it, but its because they found an excellent face saving mask for their unjust action.
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Meghna
05-10 07:25 AM
hi,
My lawyer filed for my EAD in April 2005. I have been working on H1 all the time and i was not aware that he filed for my EAD.
HE filed for my AP at the same time and i got it. When i asked him about EAD , he said its not required and that he did not file it.
Yesterday he mailed me a set of copies in which i found receipt notice for EAD.I checked the status and it says that my case is pending since April 2005.
There was no request for any proof or anything. It just says we mailed you notice of action and the case is pending.
I need EAD now. What should i do?
I called the USCIS and they said that it is out of processing time and filed a service request.
All my friends who filed their I-485 recently got their Biometrics notice and i didn't get any. Whats wrong with my case?
I am confused , what am i supposed to do?
Appreciate your suggestion
My lawyer filed for my EAD in April 2005. I have been working on H1 all the time and i was not aware that he filed for my EAD.
HE filed for my AP at the same time and i got it. When i asked him about EAD , he said its not required and that he did not file it.
Yesterday he mailed me a set of copies in which i found receipt notice for EAD.I checked the status and it says that my case is pending since April 2005.
There was no request for any proof or anything. It just says we mailed you notice of action and the case is pending.
I need EAD now. What should i do?
I called the USCIS and they said that it is out of processing time and filed a service request.
All my friends who filed their I-485 recently got their Biometrics notice and i didn't get any. Whats wrong with my case?
I am confused , what am i supposed to do?
Appreciate your suggestion
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FrankZulu
08-17 07:45 PM
Got CPO email at 12:15 PM for both Me & Spouse.:)
I485: NSC
PD: Feb/6/06
RD: Jul/5/07
ND: Sep/12/07
Pre-adjudicated: Mar/20/09
Approval Date: Aug 16th
Approval Email: Aug 17th.
I485: NSC
PD: Feb/6/06
RD: Jul/5/07
ND: Sep/12/07
Pre-adjudicated: Mar/20/09
Approval Date: Aug 16th
Approval Email: Aug 17th.
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bayarea07
09-11 08:22 PM
Called Up and Left Voice Mails
Elton Gallegly (R-Calif.)202- 225-5811
Dan Lungren (R-Calif.)202- 225-5716
Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) 202-225-5911
Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.)202- 225-4176
Can anyone Please update the final list of all the supporters and non suppoerters so that we can focus only on Non Supporters as of now.
Elton Gallegly (R-Calif.)202- 225-5811
Dan Lungren (R-Calif.)202- 225-5716
Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) 202-225-5911
Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.)202- 225-4176
Can anyone Please update the final list of all the supporters and non suppoerters so that we can focus only on Non Supporters as of now.
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WaldenPond
01-03 10:09 AM
It is Great news that Rep. Tom Price has already mentioned that he will push for these clauses in the bills in 2006.
We should continue to communicate with the congressman of our districts and states.
We should continue to communicate with the congressman of our districts and states.
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bkn96
11-14 08:00 PM
My I140 is approved and I am a July07 filer of 485. In July08 I moved to self-employment after consulting a good lawyer. Now my previous employer withdrawn I 140 and today I got 485 denial notice. I didnot filed AC21 as lawyer told it is optional.. :mad:
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glus
06-29 07:02 PM
I'm not getting this. If DOS/USCIS wants to retrogress the current dates then why they will wait for july2nd or 3rd. As they know people will file their applications by 29th june or they will try to deliver their applications by 2nd of july. So,if this rumour is really true then they would have posted revised bulletin in this week only , latest by today only, so that people will stop filling applications. So guys relax and keep doing whatever you were doing and file your applications by 2nd july.
There is nothing in our hands or even in lawyers.Lets wait n watch!!! keep hope
U are right...that's why I think it is a rumor only. I read somwhere in the posts, the DOS can only issue VB once monthly. That could be the reason they did not issue a revised bulletin for Jun, when the "other worker" category became unavailable and that would make sense. They could not issue a revised bulletin, so the sent a letter to USCIS not to accept the "other worker" category anymore, which in turn will case a law suit. .... I think this all is a rumor!!!
There is nothing in our hands or even in lawyers.Lets wait n watch!!! keep hope
U are right...that's why I think it is a rumor only. I read somwhere in the posts, the DOS can only issue VB once monthly. That could be the reason they did not issue a revised bulletin for Jun, when the "other worker" category became unavailable and that would make sense. They could not issue a revised bulletin, so the sent a letter to USCIS not to accept the "other worker" category anymore, which in turn will case a law suit. .... I think this all is a rumor!!!
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Googler
10-17 11:55 PM
By Mr. Cannon:
"NNCPS is partnering with other Agencies to provide contractors and personnel to process name checks. For example, the FBI and USCIS have implemented a key initiative to use contractor resources to prioritize the processing of "Single-Hit" USClS Name Check requests, that is, pending name check requests that have only one FBI file potentially identified with it that needs to be reviewed in order to process the request. By applying contractor resources to process these "Single Hit" requests, the FBI may significantly reduce the pending USClS name check workload."
Declaration of M. Cannon filed in one of the civil cases in Northern GA, dated October 4th, 2007. To know for sure you have to have a pending lawsuit and send a discovery request to district US Attorney.
First of all, lazycis, thank you for all the great information on the immigration portal WOM thread and now on the IV forums. The community owes you.
Re: this Cannon declaration -- do you mind sharing the case number or case name (X v Chertoff) or the declaration if you have downloaded it from Pacer?
"NNCPS is partnering with other Agencies to provide contractors and personnel to process name checks. For example, the FBI and USCIS have implemented a key initiative to use contractor resources to prioritize the processing of "Single-Hit" USClS Name Check requests, that is, pending name check requests that have only one FBI file potentially identified with it that needs to be reviewed in order to process the request. By applying contractor resources to process these "Single Hit" requests, the FBI may significantly reduce the pending USClS name check workload."
Declaration of M. Cannon filed in one of the civil cases in Northern GA, dated October 4th, 2007. To know for sure you have to have a pending lawsuit and send a discovery request to district US Attorney.
First of all, lazycis, thank you for all the great information on the immigration portal WOM thread and now on the IV forums. The community owes you.
Re: this Cannon declaration -- do you mind sharing the case number or case name (X v Chertoff) or the declaration if you have downloaded it from Pacer?
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puddonhead
06-18 10:48 AM
I am not on L1, neither do I work in the kind of an assignment which will come under the radar due to this - but have many friends on L1. Hence I think I may have a slightly more balanced and perhaps somewhat sobering POV on this.
Since I have many friends on L1 - I know pretty well how they are abused by their employers. Just the fact that you cant quit the employer enables some forms of abuse so subtle that they will not stand in any court of law. So I hope for the sake of people on L1, and to uphold the rule of law - that this abuse stops. If it does - their employers would be forced to bring them in H1 - which is far less prone to abuse due to the portability.
However, the current "run to the DOL/ICE" approach that you guys are taking may have repurcussions well beyond you had bargained for. Think of it from the POV of a client manager (lets take the example of, say, a goldman manager). He has his hands full of sucking up to his boss, playing the internal politics and in his spare time doing some work. 99% of them (even those who actually immigrated themselves) have no appetite to get into the details of immigration law. So, as soon as there is a backlash on this - their immediate response would be to take the safest route out and require Citizenship/GC for all positions.
As soon as that wave starts - many of us are going to get burnt. Many of us who have EAD, including yours truely, would probably be able to sneak through without too much of an issue (since it is illegal to discriminate against EADs) - however, many others who are not so fortunate would probably not fare so well. Most probably what will happen is that as soon as a recruiter sees brown skin and hears some trace of an accent - alerm bells would go off in the mind to check if this guy is GC holder or a citizen.
The enabler of the L1 abuse is the non-portability of these visas. We cant do much about that in the current environment. But going all gung ho in terms of enforcement right now -when there is a recession in full swing - may not be in the best interest of any of us.
Since I have many friends on L1 - I know pretty well how they are abused by their employers. Just the fact that you cant quit the employer enables some forms of abuse so subtle that they will not stand in any court of law. So I hope for the sake of people on L1, and to uphold the rule of law - that this abuse stops. If it does - their employers would be forced to bring them in H1 - which is far less prone to abuse due to the portability.
However, the current "run to the DOL/ICE" approach that you guys are taking may have repurcussions well beyond you had bargained for. Think of it from the POV of a client manager (lets take the example of, say, a goldman manager). He has his hands full of sucking up to his boss, playing the internal politics and in his spare time doing some work. 99% of them (even those who actually immigrated themselves) have no appetite to get into the details of immigration law. So, as soon as there is a backlash on this - their immediate response would be to take the safest route out and require Citizenship/GC for all positions.
As soon as that wave starts - many of us are going to get burnt. Many of us who have EAD, including yours truely, would probably be able to sneak through without too much of an issue (since it is illegal to discriminate against EADs) - however, many others who are not so fortunate would probably not fare so well. Most probably what will happen is that as soon as a recruiter sees brown skin and hears some trace of an accent - alerm bells would go off in the mind to check if this guy is GC holder or a citizen.
The enabler of the L1 abuse is the non-portability of these visas. We cant do much about that in the current environment. But going all gung ho in terms of enforcement right now -when there is a recession in full swing - may not be in the best interest of any of us.
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Hunter
05-11 12:14 AM
What are you showing hunter here? American hipocracy & bigotry in full light? How is your culture any good with what you have posted?
Oh, did that comment on Brahma and Saraswati incest hurt you? tsk, tsk, tsk.. too bad.
Well, you should have read and responded to the comment before that before pretending to be hurt about my response. I didn't start it.
If you are ready to make such bigoted comment, NEVER expect that you can get away that. Believe me, internet is limitless and I can shovel dirt about India in this forum, if I want to with a google search(which is not my intent here)
Oh, did that comment on Brahma and Saraswati incest hurt you? tsk, tsk, tsk.. too bad.
Well, you should have read and responded to the comment before that before pretending to be hurt about my response. I didn't start it.
If you are ready to make such bigoted comment, NEVER expect that you can get away that. Believe me, internet is limitless and I can shovel dirt about India in this forum, if I want to with a google search(which is not my intent here)
Macaca
12-05 04:45 PM
AMY GOODMAN: Our guest for the hour is Lou Dobbs, well known as the CNN anchor of Lou Dobbs Tonight. In May, the New York Times published a critical article about you, Lou.
LOU DOBBS: [inaudible]
AMY GOODMAN: It was called �Truth, Fiction and Lou Dobbs.� Columnist David Leonhardt wrote, �Mr. Dobbs has a somewhat flexible relationship with reality.� Leonhardt highlighted this profile about you that aired on CBS�s 60 Minutes.
LESLEY STAHL: One of the issues he tackles relentlessly is illegal immigration. And on that, his critics say his advocacy can get in the way of the facts.
LOU DOBBS: Tuberculosis, leprosy, malaria?
LESLEY STAHL: Following a report on illegals carrying diseases into the US, one of the correspondents on his show, Christine Romans, told Dobbs that there had been 7,000 cases of leprosy in the US in the past three years.
CHRISTINE ROMANS: Leprosy, in this country
LOU DOBBS: Incredible.
LESLEY STAHL: We checked that and found a report issued by the US Department of Health and Human Services saying 7,000 is the number of leprosy cases over the last thirty years, not the past three, and nobody knows how many of those cases involve illegal immigrants.
[interviewing Dobbs] Now, went to try and check that number, 7,000�we can�t. Just so you know�
LOU DOBBS: I can tell you this: if we reported it, it�s a fact.
LESLEY STAHL: You can�t tell me that. You did report it�
LOU DOBBS: No, I just did.
LESLEY STAHL: How can you guarantee that to me?
LOU DOBBS: Because I�m the managing editor, and that�s the way we do business. We don�t make up numbers, Lesley, do we?
AMY GOODMAN: A day after the 60 Minutes report aired, Lou Dobbs discussed the issue on his program with his reporter, the CNN reporter Christine Romans.
LOU DOBBS: Then there was a question about some of your comments, Christine, following one of your reports. I told Lesley Stahl we don�t make up numbers, and I will tell everybody here again tonight, I stand 100% behind what you said.
CHRISTINE ROMANS: That�s right, Lou. We don�t make up numbers here. This is what we reported. We reported: �It�s interesting, because the woman in our piece told us that there were about 900 cases of leprosy for forty years. There have been 7,000 in the past three years. Leprosy, in this country.� I was quoting Dr. Madeleine Cosman, a respected medical lawyer and medical historian. Writing in The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, she said: �Hansen�s disease��that�s the other modern name, I guess, for leprosy��Hansen�s disease was so rare in America that in forty years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy,� Lou.
LOU DOBBS: It�s remarkable that this�whatever, confusion or confoundment over 7,000 cases. They actually keep a registry of cases of leprosy. And the fact that it rose was because of�one assumes, because we don�t know for sure�but two basic influences: unscreened illegal immigrants coming into this country, primarily from South Asia, and the�secondly, far better reporting.
CHRISTINE ROMANS: That�s what Dr. Cosman told us, Lou.
LOU DOBBS: And, you know, in talking with a number of people, it�s also very clear no one knows, but nearly everyone suspects, there are far more cases of that. It is also, I think, interesting, and I think important to say, one of the reasons we screen people coming into this country is to deal with communicable diseases like leprosy, tuberculosis. The fact is, if we would just screen successfully, all of those diseases can be treated effectively, efficiently and relatively quickly.
AMY GOODMAN: That�s Lou Dobbs on the show. The source behind the claim that there was a spike of 7,000 new cases of leprosy was a controversial medical attorney named Madeleine Cosman. In 2005, she described undocumented immigrants as �deadly time bombs, because of the diseases they bring into the country.� Cosman, who died last year, has also been criticized for these comments she made about Mexican men.
MADELEINE COSMAN: Recognize that most of these bastards molest girls under age twelve, some as young as age five, others age three. Although, of course, some specialize in boys, some specialize in nuns, some are exceedingly versatile and rape little girls age eleven and women up to age seventy-nine.
What is important here is the psychiatric defenses: Why do they do what they do? They do not need a jail; they need a hospital. They are depraved because they were deprived in their home country. But more important is the cultural defense: they suffer from psychiatric cognitive disjuncture, for what does a poor man do if in his home country of Mexico in his jurisdiction if rape is ranked lower than cow stealing? Of course, he will not know how to behave here in strange America. This is thoroughly reprehensible.
AMY GOODMAN: Madeleine Cosman, that�s her quote. She actually is not a medical doctor. She�s a Renaissance author and scholar of sorts. Lou Dobbs?
LOU DOBBS: What would you have me say, Amy? Because what�the reality is what you don�t say, is that Leonhardt�s piece was filled with errors. Secondly, Madeleine Cosman, as we learned following that report in Physicians and Surgeons, the publication, is precisely what you styled her: she is a wack�or was a wackjob. But the New York Times didn�t know that, either. If you would read the obituary for Madeleine Cosman in the New York Times�have you done that, by the way? She died a year ago, which was, by the way, a year after we had used her as a source in a report, along with other people. Did you read that obituary? Did you find that the New York Times had come to basically the same conclusion we had, that she was a credible source? Because if you read that obituary, it is glowing and filled with plaudits for Madeleine Cosman. And so�
JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, but, Lou, I think the issue�
LOU DOBBS: But I must�no, no. I am going to say this�
JUAN GONZALEZ: The issue is that we, as journalists�
LOU DOBBS: To go through a body of
JUAN GONZALEZ: �all have our own responsibility to�
LOU DOBBS: No, listen to me, Juan�
JUAN GONZALEZ: No, no, no, no, no, Listen�
LOU DOBBS: �because at least we can have some civility�
JUAN GONZALEZ: Lou�
LOU DOBBS: �to go through this and try to convey that this is a body of work. I spoke for eight seconds after that report on tuberculosis and the screening of illegal immigrants into this country. For eight seconds. And you�re trying to project this as if it is reflective of a body of work. And that, I think, is�I think�
JUAN GONZALEZ: No, but, Lou, the issue�
LOU DOBBS: I would hope that you would be embarrassed by that.
JUAN GONZALEZ: No, Lou, the issue is�
AMY GOODMAN: You�re the managing director of your show�
LOU DOBBS: I am the managing director.
AMY GOODMAN: �and editor of your show.
LOU DOBBS: And let me ask you a question: how many�how many people are on the registry for Hansen�s disease in this country?
JUAN GONZALEZ: 7,000, total.
LOU DOBBS: It�s over 7,000, correct.
AMY GOODMAN: For thirty years.
JUAN GONZALEZ: For thirty years.
LOU DOBBS: Absolutely.
AMY GOODMAN: You said over the last three years because of illegal immigration.
LOU DOBBS: And what did we say? Did I say because of illegal immigration?
AMY GOODMAN: Yes.
LOU DOBBS: I said no one knows, but one assumes primarily, because they�re not being screened. That�s what the doctors at the Hansen centers were telling us. Secondly, the issue of�if you want to, I mean, explode eight seconds into a whole body of discussion, fine. The reality is, I think you would agree, that if we were screening illegal immigrants, as well as legal immigrants, we would probably have a heck of a lot less in the way of tuberculosis in this country, and Hansen�s disease.
JUAN GONZALEZ: OK, Lou, I�d like to get into�take this in a much deeper perspective than just the particular fact�
LOU DOBBS: I hope so.
LOU DOBBS: [inaudible]
AMY GOODMAN: It was called �Truth, Fiction and Lou Dobbs.� Columnist David Leonhardt wrote, �Mr. Dobbs has a somewhat flexible relationship with reality.� Leonhardt highlighted this profile about you that aired on CBS�s 60 Minutes.
LESLEY STAHL: One of the issues he tackles relentlessly is illegal immigration. And on that, his critics say his advocacy can get in the way of the facts.
LOU DOBBS: Tuberculosis, leprosy, malaria?
LESLEY STAHL: Following a report on illegals carrying diseases into the US, one of the correspondents on his show, Christine Romans, told Dobbs that there had been 7,000 cases of leprosy in the US in the past three years.
CHRISTINE ROMANS: Leprosy, in this country
LOU DOBBS: Incredible.
LESLEY STAHL: We checked that and found a report issued by the US Department of Health and Human Services saying 7,000 is the number of leprosy cases over the last thirty years, not the past three, and nobody knows how many of those cases involve illegal immigrants.
[interviewing Dobbs] Now, went to try and check that number, 7,000�we can�t. Just so you know�
LOU DOBBS: I can tell you this: if we reported it, it�s a fact.
LESLEY STAHL: You can�t tell me that. You did report it�
LOU DOBBS: No, I just did.
LESLEY STAHL: How can you guarantee that to me?
LOU DOBBS: Because I�m the managing editor, and that�s the way we do business. We don�t make up numbers, Lesley, do we?
AMY GOODMAN: A day after the 60 Minutes report aired, Lou Dobbs discussed the issue on his program with his reporter, the CNN reporter Christine Romans.
LOU DOBBS: Then there was a question about some of your comments, Christine, following one of your reports. I told Lesley Stahl we don�t make up numbers, and I will tell everybody here again tonight, I stand 100% behind what you said.
CHRISTINE ROMANS: That�s right, Lou. We don�t make up numbers here. This is what we reported. We reported: �It�s interesting, because the woman in our piece told us that there were about 900 cases of leprosy for forty years. There have been 7,000 in the past three years. Leprosy, in this country.� I was quoting Dr. Madeleine Cosman, a respected medical lawyer and medical historian. Writing in The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, she said: �Hansen�s disease��that�s the other modern name, I guess, for leprosy��Hansen�s disease was so rare in America that in forty years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy,� Lou.
LOU DOBBS: It�s remarkable that this�whatever, confusion or confoundment over 7,000 cases. They actually keep a registry of cases of leprosy. And the fact that it rose was because of�one assumes, because we don�t know for sure�but two basic influences: unscreened illegal immigrants coming into this country, primarily from South Asia, and the�secondly, far better reporting.
CHRISTINE ROMANS: That�s what Dr. Cosman told us, Lou.
LOU DOBBS: And, you know, in talking with a number of people, it�s also very clear no one knows, but nearly everyone suspects, there are far more cases of that. It is also, I think, interesting, and I think important to say, one of the reasons we screen people coming into this country is to deal with communicable diseases like leprosy, tuberculosis. The fact is, if we would just screen successfully, all of those diseases can be treated effectively, efficiently and relatively quickly.
AMY GOODMAN: That�s Lou Dobbs on the show. The source behind the claim that there was a spike of 7,000 new cases of leprosy was a controversial medical attorney named Madeleine Cosman. In 2005, she described undocumented immigrants as �deadly time bombs, because of the diseases they bring into the country.� Cosman, who died last year, has also been criticized for these comments she made about Mexican men.
MADELEINE COSMAN: Recognize that most of these bastards molest girls under age twelve, some as young as age five, others age three. Although, of course, some specialize in boys, some specialize in nuns, some are exceedingly versatile and rape little girls age eleven and women up to age seventy-nine.
What is important here is the psychiatric defenses: Why do they do what they do? They do not need a jail; they need a hospital. They are depraved because they were deprived in their home country. But more important is the cultural defense: they suffer from psychiatric cognitive disjuncture, for what does a poor man do if in his home country of Mexico in his jurisdiction if rape is ranked lower than cow stealing? Of course, he will not know how to behave here in strange America. This is thoroughly reprehensible.
AMY GOODMAN: Madeleine Cosman, that�s her quote. She actually is not a medical doctor. She�s a Renaissance author and scholar of sorts. Lou Dobbs?
LOU DOBBS: What would you have me say, Amy? Because what�the reality is what you don�t say, is that Leonhardt�s piece was filled with errors. Secondly, Madeleine Cosman, as we learned following that report in Physicians and Surgeons, the publication, is precisely what you styled her: she is a wack�or was a wackjob. But the New York Times didn�t know that, either. If you would read the obituary for Madeleine Cosman in the New York Times�have you done that, by the way? She died a year ago, which was, by the way, a year after we had used her as a source in a report, along with other people. Did you read that obituary? Did you find that the New York Times had come to basically the same conclusion we had, that she was a credible source? Because if you read that obituary, it is glowing and filled with plaudits for Madeleine Cosman. And so�
JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, but, Lou, I think the issue�
LOU DOBBS: But I must�no, no. I am going to say this�
JUAN GONZALEZ: The issue is that we, as journalists�
LOU DOBBS: To go through a body of
JUAN GONZALEZ: �all have our own responsibility to�
LOU DOBBS: No, listen to me, Juan�
JUAN GONZALEZ: No, no, no, no, no, Listen�
LOU DOBBS: �because at least we can have some civility�
JUAN GONZALEZ: Lou�
LOU DOBBS: �to go through this and try to convey that this is a body of work. I spoke for eight seconds after that report on tuberculosis and the screening of illegal immigrants into this country. For eight seconds. And you�re trying to project this as if it is reflective of a body of work. And that, I think, is�I think�
JUAN GONZALEZ: No, but, Lou, the issue�
LOU DOBBS: I would hope that you would be embarrassed by that.
JUAN GONZALEZ: No, Lou, the issue is�
AMY GOODMAN: You�re the managing director of your show�
LOU DOBBS: I am the managing director.
AMY GOODMAN: �and editor of your show.
LOU DOBBS: And let me ask you a question: how many�how many people are on the registry for Hansen�s disease in this country?
JUAN GONZALEZ: 7,000, total.
LOU DOBBS: It�s over 7,000, correct.
AMY GOODMAN: For thirty years.
JUAN GONZALEZ: For thirty years.
LOU DOBBS: Absolutely.
AMY GOODMAN: You said over the last three years because of illegal immigration.
LOU DOBBS: And what did we say? Did I say because of illegal immigration?
AMY GOODMAN: Yes.
LOU DOBBS: I said no one knows, but one assumes primarily, because they�re not being screened. That�s what the doctors at the Hansen centers were telling us. Secondly, the issue of�if you want to, I mean, explode eight seconds into a whole body of discussion, fine. The reality is, I think you would agree, that if we were screening illegal immigrants, as well as legal immigrants, we would probably have a heck of a lot less in the way of tuberculosis in this country, and Hansen�s disease.
JUAN GONZALEZ: OK, Lou, I�d like to get into�take this in a much deeper perspective than just the particular fact�
LOU DOBBS: I hope so.
maxy
09-23 04:23 PM
how many visas are allocated every year per country, per preference ? say INDIA EB3 ?
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